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PostSubject: Who is the true Vicar of Christ? The Roman Catholic Pope or the Holy Spirit?   Who is the true Vicar of Christ?  The Roman Catholic Pope or the Holy Spirit? EmptyThu May 16, 2013 12:13 pm

As world attention focuses on Pope Benedict XVI, it is important to note that the Vatican officially teaches that the Pope is the substitute for Christ Jesus. The words of the official pronouncement are:

“The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, 'is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful.'

'For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise.” [Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition (Washington, DC: US Catholic Conference, 1994, 1997) #882.]

[Definition: “vicar”—in the broadest sense means someone who is authorized to act as a substitute or agent for a superior / compare “vicarious”—serving in the place of someone else; assuming the position, place, or office of another person]

The world again has a man in the position of “Vicar of Christ,” so it is biblically imperative to examine the true office of the Vicar of Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ entrusted the universal care of souls into the safekeeping of the Divine Person of the Holy Spirit. Concerning this Third Person of the Trinity who was to be His substitute, the Lord promised that, “when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment” (John 16:8. The Holy Spirit convicts of sin as He makes the sinner realize his lost condition and convicts him of his need of Christ's righteousness. He it is who brings a soul dead in sin to life.

This miracle of grace is spoken of in Scripture as, “the exceeding greatness of His power to usward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, which He wrought in Christ when He raised Him from the dead” (Ephesians 1:19).

The majesty, greatness and indescribable power of the true office of Vicar of Christ are such that a believer stands in awe of His divine Person. That any human being should lay claim to the office of Vicar of Christ seems totally absurd and blasphemous.

The True Vicar of Christ

Because there is a direct connection between the redemption of Christ and the ministry of the Holy Spirit, it is extremely dangerous to confuse the work of the Holy Spirit as Vicar of Christ with the position or work of any man.

As Christ Jesus had been the Master, Counselor and Guide to believers, He promised to send the Holy Spirit as His substitute so that He might abide with them for ever (John 14:16). In believers' lives, the Holy Spirit has full, immediate, and universal influence, as the Scripture so wonderfully teaches, “now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord” (II Corinthians 3:17-18).

The work of the Spirit is transforming; we are changed from one degree of glorious grace unto another, until by that same grace one day we will be perfected with Him in glory forever. How much therefore should Christians prize the full and complete ministry of the Holy Spirit!

In the face of these awesome truths concerning the role and ministry of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ, it is horrendous to learn that the Vatican proclaims,

“The Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls” (Catechism, paragraph 937).

Persuading men and women that Christ the Lord left a mortal man to be His vicar on earth attempts to gainsay the very purpose of Christ Jesus.

The History of the claim to be Vicar of Christ

This outlandish assertion came relatively late in the history of the Papacy. To begin with, the Bishop of Rome claimed to be the vicar of Caesar—and his successors the rightful heirs to the Caesars. The city that had been the seat of power for the Roman Empire became the city for the Bishop of Rome to exercise his authority.

Gradually, other Bishops and national monarchs accepted him as vicar and successor to Caesar with the same supreme title of “Pontifex Maximus.”

Next, the Bishops of Rome claimed to be “The vicar of the prince of the apostles”[1], that is, the vicar of Peter.[2] Thus, in the early fifth century, Bishop Innocent I (401-417 A.D.) insisted that Christ had delegated supreme power to Peter and made him the Bishop of Rome. Following this, he held that the Bishop of Rome as Peter's successor was entitled to exercise Peter's power and prerogatives. Boniface III, who became Bishop of Rome in 607, established himself as “Universal Bishop,” thus claiming to be vicar and master of all other bishops.

It was not until the eighth century, however, that the particular title “Vicar of the Son of God”[3] was found in the fraudulent document called “The Donation of Constantine.”[4] Although this notorious document was proven false in the early sixteenth century, the Bishops of Rome have used the title “Vicar of Christ” since the eighth century. This title has been the Pope's supreme claim to spiritual and temporal supremacy. The taste of divine power, with which the title resonates, has proven to be addictive. The “Vicar of Christ” is able to recognize no authority other than his own. He looks upon himself as Master of all, and boldly proclaims, “The First See is judged by no one.”[5]

It is truly significant that Joseph Ratzinger was elected as the new Pope as Benedict XVI (April 2005). Before this, he headed up the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [formerly known as the Office of the Inquisition] [6]. Archconservatives in the Church of Rome warmly welcomed him; however, he will not be acceptable to many American Catholics because of his hard-line stance.


This rigid position was seen clearly in the document that he issued on September 5, 2000 called, “Dominus Iesus.”[7] In that document, he boldly decreed that the Roman Catholic Church is the only “instrument for the salvation of all humanity.”[8]

Dogmatically, he also rules out evangelical churches from being considered as, “Churches in the proper sense,” when he proclaimed, “the ecclesial communities which have not preserved the valid Episcopate [that is, rulership by Roman Catholic bishops] and the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic mystery [that is, partaking of Mass (the Lord's Supper) in the manner of Roman Catholics, including their teaching that the priest miraculously transforms the wine and bread into the actual blood and flesh of Jesus Christ], are not Churches in the proper sense.”[9]

Rome's alleged office of Christ's Vicar on earth is so all embracing and complicated that Benedict XVI, as one man, cannot exercise “supreme, full, immediate, and universal power.” Thus Joseph Ratzinger needs a vast hierarchy to command. The pyramid of power that constitutes his office of the “Vicar of Christ” consists of cardinals, patriarchs, major archbishops, metropolitans, coadjutor archbishops, diocesan bishops, coadjutor bishops, episcopal vicar, eparches, apostolic vicars, apostolic prefects, apostolic administrators and vicars general.[10]

Doctrine and Deeds

The counterfeit nature of the Pope's claim to be “the Vicar of Christ” is shown by his doctrine and deeds. The key role of the True Vicar of Christ is to glorify Christ, “He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you” (John 16:14). The sending of the Spirit was the glorifying of Christ. God the Father glorifies Christ Jesus in heaven, and the Spirit glorifies Him on earth. All the gifts and graces of the Holy Spirit are to glorify Christ.

The Lord Jesus Christ promised the Apostles, “when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13).

God's truth is an indissoluble, balanced and harmonious whole. In the Bible we have “all truth,” in this the Holy Spirit truly glorifies Jesus Christ. In stark contrast, the Pope claims to possess “infallible teaching authority.” This neither glorifies Christ nor honors the Spirit of truth.[11] Also the Pope, as “the Vicar of Christ” teaches “rebirth” by baptism, which demeans the glory of Christ.[12] [See: “Is water baptism necessary for salvation?” and “Grace”]

By crucifixes, rosaries, and scapulars, the earthly Vicar purports to fortify men and women against the assaults of Satan. He also maintains that indulgences can shorten the sufferings of souls in purgatory. While presiding over substantially the richest financial institution in the world, he maintains and advocates vows of poverty. Even as thousands of souls are corrupted by unbridled filthiness, he defends the vows of celibacy for his priests. By autonomous proclamations, he releases men and women from their marriage vows in self-declared annulments.[13]

None of these deeds glorify Christ Jesus the Lord. The major enemy of Christ and His Gospel, however, is not materialism nor is it lust, but rather the spiritual pride and the apostasy of the very one who pretends to be His “Vicar”. The first lie of Satan, “ye shall be as gods” (Genesis 3:5) reaches its full fruition in the Papal claim to be “Vicar of Christ.” By this, the words of the Apostle Paul are literally fulfilled, “who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called Godshowing himself that he is God” (II Thessalonians 2:4).

“Habemus papam” we have a Papa!


Vatican, St. Peter's Basilica.
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The waiting is finished. The senior cardinal-deacon appeared on a balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square and announced: “Habemus papam! we have a Papa!”[14] Catholics and the world are told that they now have a spiritual Papa to look after them.

Christ Jesus constantly spoke about His Father, the word “Father” was seventy times on His lips to show true believers that they have a Father, a Father in Heaven—“my Father, and your Father my God, and your God” (John 20:17). Distinctively true believers have an Abba Father, in the words of the Apostle, “for ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father” (Romans 8:15).

It is precisely because believers have an Abba Father that they are commanded not to call any man “Father” in the spiritual sense. Thus the Lord's command, “call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” (Matthew 23:9). The Lord Christ Jesus prayed to the only “Holy Father” that exists, “Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are” (John 17:11). The Lord used His usual appellation “Father,” but prefixed it with the word “Holy”. He wanted to emphasize the absolute perfection of the Father's nature.

So intimate and worshipful is this, that in a spiritual sense a true believer will only use the words “The Holy Father” of God alone! The Roman Pontiff not only takes to himself the office of “Vicar of Christ” but also the very title of the Godhead, “The Holy Father.” We must therefore ask the question that Apostle John asks, “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son” (I John 2:22). In assuming these titles to himself, the Pope shows that he truly is “a vicar of Christ” in the biblical sense of the Antichrist!

Conclusion and Personal Response

Today, some compromised and eclectic “Evangelicals” stop their ears and close their eyes to the true Vicar of Christ and mindlessly agree with the festivities that accompanied the white smoke that arose from the Vatican. Ignored once again are the questions: Whom do we honor? Whom do we fear? Is it God or man? As the world and false Evangelicals bow in admiration to the new Pontiff, we might well take a moment to pause and consider where we personally stand as believers in the One Lord Christ Jesus and the One Holy Spirit.

Those who hold the office of Pope claim to mediate between God and man and to hold the keys of heaven and hell. Most appallingly the Pope takes to himself the office of “Vicar of Christ” adding even the attribute of infallibility to his position,[15] demanding that “a religious respect of intellect and will be paid to his teaching.”[16] The Papal arrogance tallies well with the Scripture's prediction for such claims, “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:14).

The words inscribed in the Pope's official miter are “Vicarius Filii Dei,” Latin for “Vicar of the Son of God.” Since there can be but one Vicar of Christ who is infinite, supreme, omnipotent, and all sufficient, the earthly pretender can be none other than a self-energized apostate system which will eventually be judged and utterly condemned by the Lord.

It is the will of God that every true believer “should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3). Those of us who cling to Christ and His Word alone, and who are saved before the all-Holy God by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, with all glory and praise to God alone must give voice to our profession of faith.


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Interesting doctrinal debate. Thank you, Camille for posting this.

When I was a child, I remember my mother had pictures, statues, and other materials associated with the Roman Catholic church (statues of Mary, pictures of Mary and baby Jesus, pictures of the "Holy family" - Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus, rosary beads, etc). I did not understand any of these at the time, or why they were so significant to my mother, but did see them in our home until my biological dad left our family permanently. These 'things' disappeared when my mother met and began dating her current husband soon after my dad was gone. I don't know the reason she changed her belief(s) and was never told. I also never asked because I wasn't interested in knowing. Something in my heart told me it wasn't important to know.

My basic teaching and learning came from the church I attended when I was about 9 years old. My parents "sent" me to church, but never attended themselves, which I never understood, even today. My younger sister told me when we got older that they used the church as a "babysitting service" and that they were hypocrites because they didn't 'practice what they preached'. To each their own.

The church was identified as a "United" church, but I did not know at the time the differences in denominations and it did not matter to me. All I remember was that the minister of the church taught directly from the Bible. Our minister was a thoughtful and careful man, full of genuine concern for his congregation that all of us learn and understand the principles and teachings of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Jesus was first and foremost in his sermons and every one them were Christ-centred.

Each Sunday, he would preach about Jesus and His ministry on earth, the importance of Jesus' ministry and life, His crucifixion, His resurrection and ascension to the Father. Our hymns were songs of joy about Jesus being alive and at the right hand of God our Father in heaven, and songs of love, humility and utmost reverence toward God. Our church held Communion several times a year. I participated most welcomingly, in humble partnership with the others in the congregation.  I remember feeling very fortunate that I was included in the Communion, even though I was very young. Nothing about any other "father" on earth as our 'divine guide' was ever mentioned in our church. Our minister knew that our Father is God the Father, and the only 'true Vicar' of Christ is the Holy Spirit. This is what I have believed all my life.

As an adult, I've been told by many people that I am "naive" and "simple-minded" because of my beliefs, but my beliefs are true. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Our Shepherd, and The Truth, The Way and The Life. The Holy Spirit is His gift to us to connect us with Him and to lead us into all truth.

Thank you for this doctrinal teaching. It affirms that my faith is 'eternal life': "that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" (John 17:3).

blessings in Jesus, our Mighty Redeemer
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It is good to know about your pathway to God.
Praise the Lord for Jesus in your life as a child and now too.
People do think we Christians are foolish. But as the Lord told us in the Bible He uses the simple to confound the wise.
We are a letter of Jesus for the lost and lonely and sick and betrayed.
God uses us to help those in need. We are His hand out to them.

Great answer (((Lorri)))
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